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ADVENTURES OF THE 'MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY GANG'

The Junior Revenge Tour

The My Way Gang first brought you  'The All Star Massacre'

Now the My Way or the Highway Gang brings you 'Its Revenge Against  the D1 Juniors'


As you may know Mark Scott and the Bloomington folks have gone above and beyond to support Minnesota Legion Baseball. With no one willing to host the D1 Junior state tournament,  Mark Scott and his small band of Bloomington volunteers rescued the State Legion by hosting the tournament nearly every year since its inception. It has not been an easy road. Legion officials demanded Bloomington pay hotel costs for players; they demanded that Bloomington provide free meals to players; they further demanded facility upgrades including new batting cages, relocation of practice mounds on a field that is City owned. Plenty of criticism was sent the Bloomington way.  


Host costs rose as housing costs (hotels) nearly doubled. Each year the state insited that hotels must be provided to several teams and free meals be provided to all participants. The tournament was only marginally profitable. which did not seem to concern 'The Board". We learned that one cointract between the parties specified a payment to Bloomington of $1,200 to offset some of the required meal costs.  That written commitment, to our understanding, remains unfulfilled.. The State  seemingly reneged on a contract. Annual presentations by Bloomington at Board meetings reportedly got testy. Yep. You can guess. Personal frictions which translate into bias, grudges, and other personal agendas.

Nonehteless. uUnwilling to leave the Junior Division without a tournament site, Bloomington said they would host 2025 but would not pay hotel costs. The state would not back down. Hotel rooms is almost a religious priorioty to this board .  Stalemate.


Junior D1 Chairman Jack Strong was told by his board superiors to fix the problem. Strong brought issues and alternatives before the D1 Junior coaches and team managers  Voting followed discussion. The entire division came up with simple, clear, and effective solutions that would have positive effects for 2025 and years beyond.  There as 100% agreement:

  1. Teams would pay their own expenses;
  2. The 8-Team Double Elim format would be retained. The coaches did not want to cheapen their tournament.


THE STATE SOUGHT  REVENGE

The challenge of Mark Scott, Bloomington, the challenge of Chairman Jack Strong, plus the challenge posed by the entire Junior Division 1 must have rocked some board members to the very core. How dare they! No one criticizes or questions 'The Board"! There is no compromise in the Minnesota system. It is about a test of wills and the exertion of power that comes with position.  We say secret because discussions, votes, and meetings are held behind closed doors, or in this case, likely done by phone.  There are no public statements. And now we have the Board, its officers, and the Director himself further removed preferring to have Randy's "Chief of Staff" handle much of the communications burden thus layering The Board behind another wall.


Here is what came down:

  1. The State Board will pay for hotel rooms in 2025. Can't breach policy!
  2. Bloomington was cut off from the host site grant of $2,500. They are singled out to get $0 to host a state tournament.
  3. The tournament  must be cheapened by changing brackets- which is 180 degrees opposite the clear intent and vote of 100% of the Juniuor coaches.


It sure looks like anger, personal agendas, and grudges drove this mess of a solution. No one tells "The Board" what to do. No one tells them what they want.  It appears to be a test of position, a show of strength, and a display of power flexing.  Oh this is not the first time we have seen and expeineced this methodology. It is textbook Closed System stuff. Closed minds- closed system.  Long-term solutions rarely develop in this fashion. Certainly collaboration, negotiuation, and compromise have no place with "This Board". 


Hey Board. Hey Officers. Who created this solution? Who is the author? Who backed it? Was it you Randy? How about you, Tim?  Where do you stand, Slick? Is this right up your alley Brandon? RHow about you,  Jim, Bruce, Gail, Vern?


Explain yourselves. Hah. Like that has ever happened. "The Board" exists without any accouyntability beyond their closed meeting doors. This administration led by Randy and Slick and Brandon may be the most secretiove of anjy we have encountered in 30 plus years.


Taking Revenge: 'The Board" MUST Have Its Hotels

Why can't teams pay their own way? They do everywhere else in the country. They do for high school baseball. What gives the policy of buying rooms for kids (possibly a violation of the Legion Amateur rule) a policy that has a religious standing? Because "that is what we have done in the past". Why? Wow. 


To make sure the policy is followed, 'The Board' will foot the bill in 2025 for Junior hotel rooms. What a waste of state resources, resources that come from team registration feees. Yes, that means 356 teanms will be paying for D1 Junior rooms, Rooms that the D1 teams were giong tom pay for themselves. What is the long-term plan? No junior site is going to foot the bill ever again. Who will pay in 2026? What an odd decision. It looks more emotional than rational


Hey, What a message to send to all the other host sites. Maybe some will ask for equivalent treatment.  Board - you have invited more discussion with this half-baked solution for 2025.


The entire Junior Division solved the hotel problem in munutes.'The Board': No way.  No one sets policy or challenges this group. No one has a say. Whomade the decision to  waste team registration money  to pay D1 Junior room costs? To pay for teams that wanted to pay it themselves? 


Taking Revenge:  "The Board" Nails Bloomington

After stiffing them despite a contract, after holding Bloomington's feet to the fire to meet all the State demands and mandates, after years of service to Legion baseball,  THEY PULLED THE  $2,500 HOST GRANT. That seems completely spiteful.


But Wait a Minute.!

  • Burnsville got and will continue to receive a $2,500 grant to host  a Tier 1A tournament. Burnsville reported a $25,000 profit while paying $0 for hotels and $0 for meals. They got $2,500 from the state and surely expect the grant again in 2025. Now we certainly like the Burnsville group a lot. The discrepancy is brutally glaring. Bloomington appears singled out.
  • Your Junior and Senior D2 tournaments are hugely profitable according to host reports. St. Charles netted some $35,000 on $55,000 in revenue for a D2 JUNIOR  tournament. They got the grant. For what?  Just getting a D2 bid is a ticket to financial reward. D2 should be looking at  expoanding their state tournaments to the National Legion's 8-tem double elim model. How can you justify anything less?  Or is opportunity for Legion players a punchline for a winter update?


Any argument that jerking the host grant from Bloomington was cost justified is simply bogus. This clearly is a slap back at Mark Scott and Bloomington for simply standing firm. They had to satnd firm.  These are Board Bully tractics at best.  Mark Scott and Bloomington are not the jerks here. Not at all. They have bailed out that State Board for years with no thanks. This is just plain revenge. You Board members should be ashamed of yourselves. Whoever you are that is.


Taking Revenge: "The Board" Nails the Junior Coaches

The state tournament bracket structure was front-and-center important to 100% of the Junior Division. They did not then and do not want now to lessen the tournament. The willingness to pay their own expenses demonstrated their serious commitment. Did 'The Board'  care? Nope. The hell with the Junior coaches. The state commanded a shortened tournament using the winner/loser brackets. This cuts a day (or in this case a night) off the tourney schedule, something no Junior coach wanted. They want the full tournament experience for their tournamnet. Well, they thought it was their tournament. Who's is it? Randy's? Slick's? Brandon's? Jim's? Who is calling the shots?


Now this has to  be developed and blessed at the highest board level - the Officers. 

  • State Director Randy Schaub  - Danube MN  - Contact Randy
  • Vice Director Jeff "Slick" Miller - Ottertail MN - Contact Slick
  • Vice Director Brandon Raymo - Montevideo MN - Contact Brandon 


Jeff 'Slick" Miller and Brandon Raymo run the D2 programs where many believe the Double Elim model should be used to exppand opportunity for D2 communities and players.  That would be change. Instead, the D2 powers appear to force D1 to mirror D2. Many see this as a "shove it down the throats of the D1 Junior. coaches" thing. The D1 coaches  are 100% opposed to cheapening their tournament and they dared to vote on it. No one tells this Board or some of its members what to do. So like a petulant teenager, they chose the opposite of what was desired. Great way to work together  Randy! Slick! Brandon! Great example of collaborative leadership.


Any reasonable Board would negotiate to find agreeable solutions. Not Minnesota

  • If the short tournamnet is choisen - the Ste pays 100%.
  • If the Double Elim . the State is willing to go up to paying the first two nights but the Junior Division or the teanms cover the third night.
  • Or find some agreeable  compromise.


Nope. Not these guys. Cram down. Daddy knows best? This is pure bully tactdic. It is shameful.


The Director's "Winter Update" Blown Up

  • Director Randy told abut  the "critical role" and the importance of coaches in Legion baseball. He defined that role as "getting your paperwork in".
  • Director Randy told of his commitment to opportunity, a view he said was "not shared with everyone on the board".
  • Director Randy asked coaches to communicate with him, to share opinions or ideas.


Randy, your words appear hollow when compared to your actions.

  • You asked for ideas and input. The coaches and the entire Divsion wanted something clean and simple. You went the opposite direction. 
  • The Board delivered  the Revenge Tour of 2025. 
  • Share ideas? Hah! Laughable.  60 guys did! And got it shoved down their thoats.
  • Critical role of coaches?  They just got told they have no place other than the field.  The tiny group of Insiders  are the Organ Griner - the rest of us are the monkey..


First there was the ALL STAR MASSACRE

It is now followed by the BOARDS JUNIOR REVENGE TOUR

This is what you get with the Closed System that is a tiny group of appointed insiders that meeting behind closed doors and serve for their lifetimes.  

Some board members very well intentioned and some work many hours diligently for the good of baseball and the good of the  boys. 

But the good guys don't run the show in the regime.

#2 The State Board Rejected the entire D1 Junior Division

The Board Slammed the Door on the D1 Junior Coaches

The D1 Junior Coaches know something about their programs and their teams. They know something about state tournaments, too. The entire Junior Division stepped in to address issues that the State Board of 14 refused to solve or more correctly, was unable to resolve. 


The Results Are In

The entire Junior D1 Division voted to keep a full tournament schedule that aligns with the National American Legion baseball template.

  1. The Board: No. You must use an abbreviated winner/consolation bracket that has 3 to 4 fewer games. Junior D1 is oredered to cheapen their state tournament to be just like what the same people require for D2 Senior and Junior tournaments - NOT the Legion protocol.
  2. This move would potentially save the State Board some dollars. Better to sacrifiuce the players experience, the coaches, and the parents to save The Ruling Board a few bucks because of their otrher decision listed below.


The entire Junior D1 Division voted to eliminate hotel cost isssues once and for all with each team paying their own travel costs.

  1. The Board: No Way. Someone has to pay hotel costs for teams. It is the Minnesota Way. So the Board apparently will pay for hotel rooms themselves with dollars from team registrations fees. 357 teams will cover hotel costs  for 3 or 4 teams. But get this - the Board  is unwilling to risk a couple of grand if outstate teams advance in the tournament (thus needing hotel rooms). They want to cheapen the tournament by cutting games. 
  2. "We support opportunity" said Director Randy in his "Winter Update". No, Randy, you don't. This is yet another expample of reducing opportunitites for Legion players under your leadership.


The Hotel Policy

'The Board or certain members of the Board, have been married to their policy of having state tournament hosts pay for kids hotel rooms (coaches rooms also). The hotel room policy must make some on the  Board feel Minnesota Special since no Legion program in the United States makes that demand of hosts.  Action of the Board this time around makes the policy appear so precious that it has achieved near Religion status. This self-imposed hotel commitment  superceded Junior Division coaches votes.


The D1 Junior Coaches voted unanimously to:

  1. Keep a full 8-team double elimination bracket for the Junior D1 state tournament. They uniformly did not want to reduce, minimize, or cheapen the state tournament experience. Clear choice. Good choice. Unanimous.
  2. Eliminate any controversy over hotel costs with every team agreeing to pay their own way. Finding host sites for Junior D1 has been near impossible. The main reason has been state mandated payouts for meal money and hotel costs. End the controversy with pay-if-you-go. Clear choice. Good choice. Unanimous,


THE STATE BOARD SEEMS UNWILLING TO ACKNOWLEDGE  THE JUNIOR D1 COACHES POSITIONs.  INSTEAD, THEY DID THE OPPOSITE.


State Mandate: The Powers Have Spoken - We Decide- Not you!

The State (some prefer now to call it Deep State) seems to be unwilling to address the coaches directly instead preferring to work directly with the state tournament site hosts. From what we understand:

  1. Bloomington will not have to pay hotel rooms for anyone.
  2. Bloomington will not receive the $2,500 state tournament subsidy check. That is a Bloomington net gain of nearly $5,000 from 2024.
  3. The State Board will contract with the hotel(s) and directly pay all hotel costs. Yes, the State Board is picking up the hotel tab at the 2025 D1 Junior State Tournament. We believe its going on their credit card. Expect charges of $5,000 or more.
  4. The 8-Team Double Elimination format is OUT.  Forget it Coaches. Your views, wishes, and votes don't count. 
  5. A "winner/consolation" bracket tournament has been imposed.
  6. Why? Because it would have 3 or 4 fewer games so that State can save money on their hotel bill. As if that was the only option available. The entire Divsion wants a double elim. It is doable. Unless what we see iscsomeone flexing their powerto cram their view dfown the coaches throats. 
  7. The decision appears to have been passed down from the Board or some subset of the Board (who knows for sure since the Baseball Board's door is closed and the drapes are drawn in the Back Room). There are no public documents. Information provided to us is believed reliable.

  • One would assume that Chairman Strong would have been informed. As a leader of democratic processes, one would expect a demotion or title change or worse yet, excommunication for openly going against the State Board and its policies. Yes, this Board has gone to great lengths to get rid of opinions and people that don't share their views.
  • One would expect that the Bloomington folks have been informed regarding financial arrangements and the Board's tournmant bracket decree.


What a Slap in the Face

 100% of the D1 Junior Divsion wanted the same state tournament format as has been in place since inception.

  • More games for more kids and more parents.
  • More games means more ticket revenue and concessions for the host. Fewer games makes hosting less attactive. 
  • In double elim, no one bad play or bad performance or bad inning can sink a team.
  • But one bad play in the first game of a winner/consolation system dooms half the teams. They are out of the race Game 1 with n o way to get back in.
  • Why drive halfway across the state and get less than a full shot?
  • Cheapening the tournament is the polar opposite of the Junior D1 Coaches unanimous position.
  • The "high school" winner/consolation bracket is used by D2 Senior and Junior tournaments. This is not popular with many of the D2 programs and D2 coaches. It is what the Czars of D2 want, however. So,  the D2 Czars now want to dictate to D1 Juniors? They know what is best?
  • These decisions do not have names attached. Baseball Board: Who amongh you insisted on these solutions? There are 14 of you. Who demands overriding the entire Junior D1 Division to install your chosen format? Put your hands up and explain yourselves.
  • What are you Junior Guys going to do? You could keep the Double Elim - raise your dues by $35 a team and pay the "extra" hotel charges that might result for a full tournament schedule. What is the risk- $1,00 or $2,000 among 60 teams? Hey. Why not apply to the All Star program committee for a grant?  
  • Changing the tournament reduces opportunity for D1 Junior kids by a minimum of 20%. 
  • Director Randy in his "Winter Update" says he is 'committed to opportunity for kids in Leigon uniforms'. Then adds - 'but not all on the Board feel the same way'. By these actions, you either got out voted or Director Randy joined the Anti-Opportunity crowd that dominates the Legion board room.
  • The Director and the Baseball Board are committed to opportunity? We will discuss that another time. 


What a Messy Mess on Hotels

100% of the D1 Junior Division solved the host hotel dilemma and agreed to pay their own costs. Eassy. Done.  No way says the Bosses. 

  • Minnesota state tournaments just have to include hotel rooms being paid by hosts. Or someone. Egads! So, the State Board will pay Junior D1 hotel costs in 2025.
  • Why? What does the state need to pay hotel costs for teams that voted to pay their own way?
  • Oh. There is an important Minnesota Tradition to defend. Says who? Put the policy to some names. There are 14 of you. Who demands hotel rooms be paid at state tournaments?
  • So you covered Bloomington for 2025. What about 2026? What about beyond? No D1 Jr. site has come forward willing to pay your state mandates. Why would that change? Are you going to pay Junior D1 hotels forever?
  • How much is involved? For Bloomington - do the math - Give up a $2,500 subsidy but save $7,500 on hotel bills. Bloomington comes out ahead.
  • With a new precedent, the State Board will pay hotel costs. We bet they will run between $5,00 and $7,500.
  • Oh Great and Powerful Board - what problem did you actually solve? Other than wasting thousands of dollars collected from team registration fees to pay unnecessary costs.
  • Was this a factor? Politically the Board just couldn't knuckle under to coaches. Even when an entire Division spoke as one.
  • Problem abound when the state breaks policy and pays hotels. Why not for me, too?  What about the other 2025 sites? Oh. This is just a "one year exception"? Good luck with that.
  • How about the D1 Senior at St. Michael - They will struggle with hotel costs that may exceed last year's hotel costs at Maple Grove - over $30,000. Why should they go in the hole when the Board has hotel money to toss around? Just give up their $4,000 subsidy check and save $30 grand. Easy choice.
  • Why should Ely pay hotels for the D2 Senior tourney or Hayfield pay hotels for the D2 junior tournament? What message is the Board giving here? A D1 Junior subsidy ought to at least cause some head scratching.
  • What about future state tournament host prospects? Why won't smaller programs or programs that don't have the financial muscle to pay hotel rooms request the same D1 Junior subsidy for their site? They want to host but can;t meet your State hotel mandates.


Bad Choice: Cheapening the Tournament - To Save Hotel Costs for the State

Suddenly a fiscal responsibility priority seems to appear from the Board. They must impose a lesser tournament to cut games to send more kids home early. The state gotta save on hotel rooms. Actually, no you don't.

  • How much might be involved? $1,000? $2,000?
  • The state $2,500 tournament host subsidy is unnecessary and wasteful. D2 Senior and D2 Junior state sites have reported huge net profits yet each is gifted a $2,500 grant. 
  •  Example: St. Charles D2 Junior state host 2024 showed a net profit approximating $35,000 on $55,000 in gross revenue. They paid for hotels or their net would have been significantly higher! No $2,500 state grant was needed. Funds were wasted.
  • Example: Burnsville showed a net profit of nearly $25,000 to to host a mid-week Tier 1A state. Of cours ethey are happy to take the $2,500 gift, but that is just wasted spending from a state program level.
  • There is no serious financial need to cheapen the D1 Junior state tournament. Someone is thumbing their nose at you Junior coaches.


These Board actions look like short-term reactions to what was a 100% sensible decision made by the entire D1 Junior Division. These reactions look like a 'stuff it in your face" reaction that took the complete opposite of the democratically developed plan presented by the Junior Coaches.


At best, these actions look like temporary attempts to address a specific issue. 

Did The Board shoot itself in the foot? Have precedents been created that may come back to haunt?


It Brings Up The Question: What Is the Proper Place of Coaches and Program Directors in Minnesota Legion Baseball

According to Director Randy Schaub in his Ferbruary 3rd "Winter Update",  coaches are very important. Very important indeed. So what is the proper place of a coach in the Mionnesota System? 

 

"I want to emphasize the critical role that managers and coaches play in the success of Minnesota American Legion Baseball. Your dedication and efforts are the backbone of our program, and I encourage you to complete your team’s registration as soon as possible."


Get your paperwork in  guys! Coach equals admin support. That was it. The onlty coach role cited.


Director Randy Encourages Communication With Coaches

Encouraging communications with coaches, the Director invited coaches to call him up  :

 "We value your input and encourage you to share your thoughts and opinions. However, please understand that while your perspectives will be given due consideration, this does not mean every request will be granted." 


The Director went on to manage expectations explaining or back tracking that he was only one vote on a Board.


Director Randy! What could be more clear than an entire division of coaches unanimously voting on what should have been a very easy solution for you to accept, and you shoved it back into their noses? Communicate ideas tio you? To your Board? It looks like you are running the Just Say No Society, or no to any outsider. Asking coaches for input in light of what really results is just plain disingenuous.


THE MESSAGE TO COACHES

Watch the actions and pay attention to the words.  Coaches are in place to feed paperwork. Or 'give me a call sometime'. Don't bet on your idea going anywhere. 

Legion d2 - Is it the best it can be?

Are D2 and Outstate Kids Getting Short Changed?

The crack of the bat for summer baseball will ring across the state in every smaller town and city. Certainly, some towns are more like small cities while others are, well, just plain small towns.  The pride taken in their fields and in their local teams is what baseball legend was built on.  


State Director Randy Schaub pointed with pride to what he views as a major Minnesota Board  innovation: The introduction of a second division (D2) for Senior and Junior levels. He correctlky points out that the D2 levels have made significant contributions to Minnesota's total team count. Of last year's team total of 360, D2 had 130 senior teams and 60 junior teams or about 53%.of the team total. When did Randy's board "innovation"occur? Well, that was in 1987, some four years after the high school league split into AA and A. Innovation or copy cat doesn't matter. At least it was done.


So D2 is important! It is a big deal, or maybe should be a bigger deal than what it appears on the surface.

  • D2 serves commnuities with school enrollments below 400 students. D1 serves 401 to 3,600 enrollments. 
  • D2 Senior has 130 teams in one division.  Year one had very few D2 teams.
  • We cannot find any state with such a large number of Legion teams in one division. Is bigger better?
  • Every other state has several divisions - typically four. That allows all teams to participate in the actual district or substate tournament that sends one team to a state tournament.
  • The Minnesota high school program has four divisions.
  • The Minnesota Legion approach essentially combines high school "A' teams with high school "AA" teams. The high schools went to 3 divisions in 2000. Then four divisions in 2015. And is likely to add a fifty division next as A and AA are both over-crowded.


Does Size Undermine Opportunity?     Most Say "Yes"

Years ago, the D2 playoffs were a minor event for the Minnesota Legion board. They were focused on the giant D1 state tournament. D1 sported a double elimination format where every game played was a chance to keep every team's championship hope alive.  D2 used a single elmin format with fewer total games. Why? Maybe to get the tournament over quicker? Or the winner would need fewer pitchers? 


  1. D2 has the shortest regular season of any Legion division we can find. The D2 regular season ends around the 4th of July. Play Ins for the Play Offs start on July 8.

  • All other  Legion divisions have a 7 week regular season before eliminations begin. D2 only a 5 week season.
  • The top 8  high school A and AA teams finish the state tournament around June 20th. They only get a two and a half week season before eliminations begin.




Therein lies the problem. Size undermines Opportunity. D2 Juniors were createdin 2017 to piggy back the established D1 Junior program. D2 Juniors largely took over VFW programs in most towns.


Director Schaub went further to point out that he favors 'opportunity for Legion players' while simul;taneously muting expectations with his admission that others on the Board do not agree with him. Opportunity? For D2? For Outstate? With all due respect to the Director- you got a long way to go.


Current Playoffs Deny Opportunity for More Than Half the Division

  • 56 teams make up substate tournaments - 7 hosts and 8 teams playing a Double Elimination format as is the National Legion standard format.
  • Not even half of D2 teams even get into a substate tournment. 70 teams must be eliminated BEFORE a pitch is thrown in a D2 substate.
  • Look at the "2025 Substate" alignments already announced. There are groupings of 14, 17, and even 19 teams in one section. That's just plain crazy. Opportunity? Yes. More opportunity to go home than to play baseball.
  • A gaunlet of "Play In" rounds start July 7th to get into a playoff. Imagine you are one of the top 16 high school teams. Your state tournament ends June 20th. And you start Legion playoffs just two weeks later? A reguilar season of what - 5 or 6 games?

Offering the best possible or the Least Program for the Most

Are D2 and Outstate Kids Getting Short Changed?

It looks like the Minnesota Legion baseball board is shrinking opportunities for players and programs in 2025. Its a trime when many clamor for additional playing options and a diversification of Legion programming (read that as 'modernizing' Legion baseball). But your baseball board has a different view. As usual, the board members won't talk about it openly. They won't share their ideas or goals or priorities or vision of the future, assuning they have any.


So you must look at their acvtions and also mlook at the inaction. What do they do? What do they not do? Actions and inactions speak louder than words. 


State Director Rabndy Schaub warned in his "Winter Update" letter to coaches that, while he is in favor of opportunities for kids playing in Legion uniforms, others on his board are not so inclined. What's the Schaub Board Record?


Shortest Regular Season in the Nation

1) Minnesota D2 Senior teams have 30% LESS regular season than D1 Seniors, D2 Juniors, D1 Juniors and even the Tier 1A level. 

2) Minnesota D2 Seniors have a shorter regular season than any division in any state that we know of.

3) The regular season ends after the 4th of July with elimination games starting on July 8th. 

4) The 8 top high school teams finish A and AA state tournaments June 20th. They get barely two and a half weeks to play their regular season.

5) Coaches have complained that they could play in tournmaments or schedule better competition that what they get in the D2 elimination weeks before a substate tournament.


Elimination; Getting Rid of the Majority of D2 Players and Teams  BEFORE the Playoff Tournaments

Minnesota uses  "substate" tournaments to send  teams to the state tournaments. Substate tourneys  play the standard National Legion double elimination format.

1) D2 Senior has 7 Substate sites to accomodate 56 teams.

2) Each site host is automatically include leaving just 49 playoff spots for 123 or so teams.

3) 60% of D2 Senior teams MUST BE ELIMINATED without ever seeing the substate tournament field.

4) D2 schedules mini elimination best two-out-of-three series. If using a seeding approachb, the strongest teams face off againsrt the weaker teams. Lose a double header on July 8 and poof, baseball is over for you.

5) Do kids really want baseball to end the second week of July? 

6) Is that the best Minnesota Legion baseball can offer? Seriously? The board members refer to eliminations as "brooming" - getting rid of teams. D2 Seniors 'brooms" tons of kids that never get the chance to play in a polayoff tournament.

7) The same Board "brooms" teams at its state tournaments by using the shortest possible schedule (single elimination) format. Better to save on hotel rooms rather than focus on the best baseball experience. 

8) Kids and teams are NOT the priority for Legion board members.


Outstate D1 Senoior Teams Got Drummed Out of Trips to the Regionals




No Other State Follows the Minnesota Approach

Maybe having the "biggest division" is bragging rights for the Board. Afterall, outstate and D2 have the most board members with Brandon Raymo and Jeff "Slick" Miller being the D2 bosses. They can do whatever they want. Or, in this case, do as little as possible other than repeating the previous year.



Splitting Divsions - Randy Claims D2 Is a Minnesota Innovation

Its not. State Director Randy Schaub pointed with pride to what he views as a major Minnesota Board  innovation: The introduction of a second division (D2). But Randy - that was in 1987, nearly forty years ago! What are you bragging about it now for? The high school program split into two divisions in 1983. Legion just copied back then. And has done nothing of consequence since.


Every other baseball program in state and in the country has added more divisions to better fit program size and to better provide access to sectional or substate tournaments. 


The High School League split into AA and A in 1983.

The MSHSL added AAA in 2000. Legion did nothing.

The MSHSL added AAAA ten years ago in 2015. Legion did nothing.

The MSHSL is considering adding the AAAAA level as A and AA are now crowded. 

Randy and the Legion board have no discussions and have no plan to split divisions which provided more playoiff opportunities while also right-sizing competition. 

To paraphrase the words of one of the D2 bosses - back when I played we just pulled on our spikes and went to to fight the bigger teams the best we could. Maybe he still feels some sort of glory from back in his day. They lost of course.

North Dak


  • When did Randy's board "innovation"occur? Well, that was in 1987, some four years after the high school league split into AA and A. Innovation or copy cat doesn't matter. At least it was done.


So D2 is important! It is a big deal, or maybe should be a bigger deal than what it appears on the surface.

  • D2 serves commnuities with school enrollments below 400 students. D1 serves 401 to 3,600 enrollments. 
  • D2 Senior has 130 teams in one division.  Year one had very few D2 teams.
  • We cannot find any state with such a large number of Legion teams in one division. Is bigger better?
  • Every other state has several divisions - typically four. That allows all teams to participate in the actual district or substate tournament that sends one team to a state tournament.
  • The Minnesota high school program has four divisions.
  • The Minnesota Legion approach essentially combines high school "A' teams with high school "AA" teams. The high schools went to 3 divisions in 2000. Then four divisions in 2015. And is likely to add a fifty division next as A and AA are both over-crowded.


Does Size Undermine Opportunity?     Most Say "Yes"

Years ago, the D2 playoffs were a minor event for the Minnesota Legion board. They were focused on the giant D1 state tournament. D1 sported a double elimination format where every game played was a chance to keep every team's championship hope alive.  D2 used a single elmin format with fewer total games. Why? Maybe to get the tournament over quicker? Or the winner would need fewer pitchers? 


  1. D2 has the shortest regular season of any Legion division we can find. The D2 regular season ends around the 4th of July. Play Ins for the Play Offs start on July 8.

  • All other  Legion divisions have a 7 week regular season before eliminations begin. D2 only a 5 week season.
  • The top 8  high school A and AA teams finish the state tournament around June 20th. They only get a two and a half week season before eliminations begin.




Therein lies the problem. Size undermines Opportunity. D2 Juniors were createdin 2017 to piggy back the established D1 Junior program. D2 Juniors largely took over VFW programs in most towns.


Director Schaub went further to point out that he favors 'opportunity for Legion players' while simul;taneously muting expectations with his admission that others on the Board do not agree with him. Opportunity? For D2? For Outstate? With all due respect to the Director- you got a long way to go.


Current Playoffs Deny Opportunity for More Than Half the Division

  • 56 teams make up substate tournaments - 7 hosts and 8 teams playing a Double Elimination format as is the National Legion standard format.
  • Not even half of D2 teams even get into a substate tournment. 70 teams must be eliminated BEFORE a pitch is thrown in a D2 substate.
  • Look at the "2025 Substate" alignments already announced. There are groupings of 14, 17, and even 19 teams in one section. That's just plain crazy. Opportunity? Yes. More opportunity to go home than to play baseball.
  • A gaunlet of "Play In" rounds start July 7th to get into a playoff. Imagine you are one of the top 16 high school teams. Your state tournament ends June 20th. And you start Legion playoffs just two weeks later? A reguilar season of what - 5 or 6 games?

What Just Happened?

Suddenly There's $20 ,000 to Throw Around? Or More?

Is the Holiday Inn going to be the largest State Legion Baseball expense of 2025? 


Legion baseball folks getting to observe the  State Baseball Board as it acts to display its true priorities. State Director Randy Schaub sent out his "Winter Update" that stated that he (Randy) was in favor of opportunity for Legion baseball players. We took that to mean he favored expanding opportunities. He then warned that others on the State Board do not share his view and pointed out the the Board is a voting democracy - in other words warned that most of the Board in not on board with the term 'opportunity".  In fcat, for 2025 opportunities are being cut not expanded.


Read State Director Randy's Letter


The latest show of Priority is the Board's absolute commitment for state tournaments to provide free hotel rooms for some of the participants. To keep the cost a bit lower, the Board insists that the tournaments be a reduced hotel cost format. Issues over hosts paying hotel costs have led to a dizzying flurry of policy revisions and changes all to show an unwavering Board commitment to free hotel rooms at state tournaments. Well, not exactly free. Out of nowhere, the Board came up with an estimated $20,000 to defray a potion of the hotel policy costs. From zero to twenty grand.  Yes, only a few of the state's 5,500 players benefit. Hotels over opportunity. Actions speak louder than words with the Board members priorities now on full view.


Its certainly looks to be the case as the State Board has reacted to what seemed to be a rather simple plan that the Junior D1 Coaches Association developed to solve a problem that affected just the Junior D1 division. That issue: No host could be found for a 2025 state tournament because no potential host wanted to pay for hotel costs for attending teams coming from more than 50 miles to play. Only Bloomington had put in a bid but that bid  refused to pay hotel costs.


The coaches and program directors of the 68 teams in the division voted unanimously to maintain the existing Double Elimination tournament format with each team paying their own expenses. Hey, that seemed simple enough. One would think the Board  could have very easily accepted the coaches vote and approved a one-year exception to the standing host hotel room policy. Then the Board would have plenty of time to rething its overall policy for 2026. Ah! That would have been too easy. In a state where a small handful of people call all the shots, maybe it would be a bad precedent where Legion coaches actually had a democratic say in any matter. The D1 Junior Exception approach would cost the State $0. Not acceptable said State Board Handful.


What followed has been best described as chaotic and confusing with the Board, or better yet a few of the Board, scrambling to take charge. Perhaps other 2025 hosts were upset when the Board came up with this new policy exempting Bloomington with the State buying hotel rooms for Junior D1 kids?  Perhaps  some Board members are just plain fiercely devoted paying for hotel rooms. So an  emergency Zoom meeting was held on March 2nd. Clearly the pot has been stirred.


Now don't you think for a minute that  issues related to hotel payments hadn't come to the attention of Board members before this Spring Hotel Crisis. The issue was not new. It was just ignored. What this policy-on-the-fly process exposed is that this Legion Board has focused itself so rigidly on doing in 2025 what was done in 2024, actually doing LESS in 2025 than 2024, that it has no mechanisms in pl;ace to review, evaluate, or plan for anything else.  Critics allege that the Minnesota Legion Board process is little more than a "rinse and repeat" agenda without any open discussion of issues and clearly without any sembalance of a long-term plannning process. As in this instance, Board members appear to hunker down and react.  So, they reacted. And reacted again. And again. 


The Ping Pong Policy Process of 2025

 It started with the standing Minnesota board policy that requires that every state tournament host must pay hotel room costs for all teams that travel at least 50 miles. We understand that NO other state in the entire country demands this of a tournament host. Maybe being unique should give us pride?


  1. The Policy Version  #1 -  The standing policy- every state tournam,ent host must buy hotel rooms for players and coaches that come from over 50 miles away. The host gets a rooming list and polunks down their credit card literally buying rooms fopr kids.
  2. Policy  Exception 2025 - The  D1 Junior Solution -  With no site willing to pay hotel costs, 100% of D1 Jr coaches voted to have each team pay their own travel costs paving the way for the 2025 tourney to be held at Bloomington. The coaches also voted to maintain their full-scale double-elim tourney. The D1 Junior solution was provided to The Board - or to whomever is in charge of decisions on state tournament matters. This seemed an easy-peasy 2025 solution. Zero cost to a hosrt and zero cost to the state board.
  3. State Policy Version #2 - The Just For Bloomington Verson - Nope. Absolutely not. The Junior Coaches plan was rejected. No way would the people who controlThe Board accept anything from any democratic process involving coaches! Hotel rooms must have near religious status with the powers within the Legion Board! If Bloomington won't pay for the rooms. then doggone it, the State Board is gonna pay for the rooms! What? The State is going to crank out $5 ,000 to $8,000 for Bloomington hotels versus NOTHING? To lower the cost the New Policy #1 cancelled the host grant of $2,500 and then demanded that the tournament be cut back so teams could be sent home earlier to save potentially save the state some money  from potential dollars for an extra hotel night for a team or two.  What sort of knee-jerk reaction desision making was this?  When Bloomington had asked the Board for a few more dollars in host grant, they were told the funds didn't exist. And now that same Board was going to pick up 100% of the tab?   Suddenly there was money to burn! How would other tournaments react? Why would other hosts pay many thousands in hotel costs while the State picked up the D1 Junior tab?  Someone musta been unhappy. We bet there were some blowback. Did the Leaders not consider some obvious consequences? This looked like a decision making mess from the get go.
  4. New State Policy Verson #3 - The 50 Percenter - Oops Everyone Else Wants In- After an emergency Zoom meeting was called to quell the upset 2025 state tourney hosts, the Newer Plan  #2  decreed the state would pay 50% of all hotel costs at all sites. Uniformity! Minnesota MUST pay hotels - its our religion and tradition. If the host won't pay it then the State will! It must make Minnesota special, somehow.  Subsidies cap off at $10,000 and host grants disappear.  Everyone gets treated alike with three of the affected four sites standiung to likely benefit. But wait - The Board had just agreed and had just told Bloomington they would pay 100% of the hotel costs. The Board V#2 plan said only 50%. The State had flatly reneged on its agreement.  Bloomington refused to host after getting double-talked. So here they were, right back in the same soup they started with - no D1 Junior State tournament site. And the State Board now committed to pay some $20,000 in hotel costs. Wow. From zero state hotel expenses to twenty grand!
  5. New State Policy Verson #4 - Fixing the Original Problem Again - Back to the drawing board... again! Ok. The Junior D1 would have the original 100% state subsidy. And the rest of the state would have a 50% subsidy. But only if the Bloomington director would agree to a shortened tournament. Wait a minute fellas! 68 programs voted to keep the full tournament. The State once again  completely ignored the vote of an entire Division.  The State wanted one guy, a site director, to decide for the entire 68-team division on his own! As a condition of hosting the 2025 state tournament. What sort of process is that? Call it high-handed at best. Tone deaf maybe more fitting. What if the Divsion covered the cost of the third night and kept their tournament double-elim format? Just 'sign the contract' said the state representative. Do it our way - only.
  6. So the State Board Has Money to Burn! A year ago the Board voted to cut funding for a fast growing All Star program. A member explained that the budget was really tight and they needed that All Star sponsorship to bolster some 'reserve fund'. Now that sounded fishy at best.  Less than a year later, the same people are projected  to pay at least $20,000 to buy hotel nights for a handful of the state's 5,500 players. 

  • This seems like an  unnecessary, knee-jerk reaction plan costing approximately 35% of state registration fees or $55 per registered team. What a give away! 
  • Or it amounts to 100% of the annual major sponsor grant. Poof! Gone! Rooms at the Holiday in for a few teams are the absolute priority! 
  •  What could 20 grand do for other potential programs? Hotels are not an investment nor  do hotel rooms for kids build the Legion brand in any meaningful way. Hotel rooms are the bog prioority for a few Board members see it as a critical  "reward"that makes Minnesota state tournaments extra special. 
  • Does one or two nights of hotel stay encourage kids to play on Legion teams?  The cost comes with a price - shrinking tournament games and championship opportunity. The single elim /consolation format puts half the teams out of championship contention on the first day. In double-elim, ALL teams are in the champonship hunt on Day 2 with every surving team having a shot until the final game. 


  • THE D1 JUNIOR COACHES HAD IT SOLVED.  
  • THE SOLUTION WOULD HAVE COST THE STATE LEGION NOTHING - ZERO
  • INSTEAD THE STATE WILL PAY NOW OUT MORE THAN $20,000
  • WOW!  JUST PLAIN _ WOW!


But Cost Is Not The Only Issue

The concept of buying hotel rooms for kids is on shaky grounds when it comes to the Legion Amateur rules. Read the rules, guys. A player may not receive anything of value (like cash or meals) to reward them for playing baseball. Neither can players accept something of value to compensate for expenses incurred to play baseball (like hotel rooms).  The long-standing  meal money handout was quietly abolished last fall after the Amateur Rule was provided to the Board leaders. But the same Board refused to look at hotel rooms, which have a greater cash value than meals, despite recommedations to review the policy.  Ooops. Maybe you should haver been more proactive! Now you have a crisis.


Further issues arise for hosts as liabilities are likely assumed by hosts that directly book and pay for hotel rooms to be occupied by kids. 


So no other state in Legion baseball follows the Minnesota approach. They have studied their travel cost issues. None follow the State Board Hotel Room Religion. None. Maybe Minnesota should  inspect what others are doing and see if better policies can be developed.


A Few Conclusions

Is this Board really up to the challenges of modernizing in 2025 and beyond?

  • Clearly, though forewarned on the hotel issue, this Board simply will not listen to anyone outside the closed doors.  Even  if an entire division of coaches voted unanimously. 
  • The issue shows that  the Board lacks any cohesive planning and policy making process. It is on full display. The bouncing policy process has been chaotic and full of individual agenda and emotion. What a way to run a railroad.
  • The Board seems to careen from one year to the next with individuals operating in their own chosen spheres. 'You do yours and I will do mine' seems the modus operandi.
  • The system is closed beyond the room walls and decisions are really made by a just an influential portion of the 14 board members.
  • Are these the wrong people, perhaps been on the job past their expiration date? 
  • Or are they good people within an out dated, closed system that rewards stagnation?


It is easy to just do what you did a year ago. It is easy to cast aside anything or anyone that threatens with different ideas or perspectives. But this hotel thing is a complete mess. It has been a mess of a process. Maybe burning up $20 grand gets you by 2025. But this is not a comprehensive plan. It is an expensive band-aid at best. It is a waste of precious resources. 360 teams pay the fees. And not one had a say in how the money is spent. 68 teams tried - and were rejected. 


Will There Be Another Plan yet this Spring?

Here is the rub - There might be an even newer plan by the time the Board holds its spring meeting behind closed doors somewhere on March 30th. Stay  tuned!


Opinions: Its the 'my way or the highway' gang

The Bosses Demand 100% Control

Get ready for a 2025 season that is less than 2024.


The 'My Way Gang or the Highway Gang' first brought you  'The All Star Massacre'

Now the 'My Way or the Highway Gang' brought you ' Junior Revenge Tour'


What amazing directions this leadership team  (officers Randy Schaub- Danube MN, Jeff 'Slick' Miller - Ottertail MN, and Brandon Raymo - Montevideo MN) plus their most loyal allies have taken for the 2025 season. 

  • Proven: A tiny few demand complete control of every aspect of Legion baseball in Minnesota.
  • Proven: When challenged with ideas, growth, or development the group (The Board) reacts in the most aggressive manner to silence and contradict ideas and anyone outside their meeting walls.
  • Proven: Preservation of the past and the exclusive exercise of personal power drives the Board and its leaders like none we have seen before.


Hear What They Say - But Watch What They Do

Director Randy says in his 'Winter Update'  he is all about program growth and opportunites for players.  Well, not so fast. Director Randy qualified his position by stating that others on the board do not share his views. But bring your thoughts and ideas to him and he will see what can be done. 


The Op[portunity Record is polar opposite. With the guidance of a rear view mirror fixed somewhere in the past, Director Randy and the Board have both killed off growth and opportunity as well as have maintained policies and structures that restrict development and opportunity


Watch the Actions:

Did they listen to the All Star group or the Junior coaches?  Did the Board negotitate or collaborate in any way with anybody? Did they try to "grow" the Legion brand, to improve it? Did they try to give Legion kids more outlets for participation? Did they support expanded options within the Legion program? No. They did then opposite every single opportunity that they had.  It surprised us to hear the National Director refer to Minnesota as "the most backward state organization in the country". His words. Randy's Board the record:


  1. Killed off All Stars not only for those that have been able to participate but for the additional player interest beyond the 2024 capacity. Opportunity Killed.
  2. Killed of a trial program to develop an enhanced level of competition within Legion even before a proposal was finalized. The initial 8 communities may have involved up to 20.  Opportunity Killed
  3. Rejected setting up a Board Development Committee and a Legion Coaches Association. 
  4. The powerful few demanded cutbacks in the Junior D1 state tournament to cheapen costs and lessen the opportunity for kids to play. Opportunity killed.
  5. The powerful few could easily change the D2 divisions from the short single elim to the Double Elim tournament format that would increase opportunity.  Opportunity ignored.
  6. Added divisions are rejected. It might take work. D2 Seniors start eliminating teams from playoffs on July 8th. 74 teams out of 130 NEVER even see the field of a substate tournament. D2 kids have the least Legion baseball season of any state in the country. 
  7. The Tier 1A was a division that some thought was the presursor of a fully split D1 level. Nope. Its 34 teans were cut to 24 making it clearly a stub division for B teams.  Mismatched playoffs are still the norm.
  8. Junior coaches solved the "hotel room" dillemma without the state needing to put up a dime. Noooo, said the Insider Few. We gotta have free hotels for a handful of state tournament teams. RThat got them so excited that they are thjrowing $20,000 to buy hotel rooms. Maybe somehow thats a policy worth defending? It must make a few people running the show feel special.


Growth and opportunity always bring in new people and more ideas. The Legion Baseball Board continues to prove they cannot accomodate nor will they incorprate anything beyond the myopic vision of its  inner sanctum. When ideas and outside people come forward, they are greeted as personal threats.  The threats must be fought and crushed. It is as much a Bully Board. Players, coaches,and parents are the dancing monkeys. The Board and the few that control it are the Organ Grinder.


Director Randy claims to be about growth and opportunity.  No you are not. Netiher are your officers and neither are the controlling elements in your private club.  Your record is repression - the opposite of what you would like to portray in writing.


Randy: How have you expanded opportunities for Legion teams and players in 2025? Send out your list.

You can't have it both ways - But You Do Have One Right Now

Closed Systems Invite Closed Minds

Open and Closed Systems by David Lee Jones

Published in the Presbyterian Outlook    September 9, 2022


Closed Systems Breed Fear, Anger, Repression, Paranoia and Suspicion


Closed systems are generally understood as those that have the following features: dominance, sameness, fusion, herd mentality and group thinking. Such systems discourage equality, change, differentiation, independence, questioning, speaking up, taking a stand, rocking the boat or expressing concern. 


They tend to promote immaturity, repression, stuckness, triangulation, gossip, parking lot meetings, factions and secrets. People do not feel safe to question or disagree in such systems for fear of disapproval or retribution. Such systems tend to be reactive and anxious (even if it is hidden beneath the surface) because information is not shared freely and secrets bind anxiety.


Leaders tend to dominate or over-function, which causes others members of the system to acquiesce or under-function.  A few at the top are disproportionately responsible for the many. Such systems often have people who function as dictators or peace-mongers at the top, and may have unduly rigid boundaries.


Closed systems breed fear, anger, repression, paranoia and suspicion. They tend to acquiesce to the least mature members or those who hold the most power (who are often the most immature). Closed systems are marked by incessant blaming of others and usually seek a quick fix to conflict rather than managing anxiety maturely. Closed systems are “deadly serious.” 


Google Search Quotes

  • Closed systems breed stagnation.  Open protocols, like open minds, allow for the emergence of the unexpected. 
  • Closed minds and closed systems share a core characteristic: a resistance to change, new information, and external influences. Both limit adaptability and increase vulnerability to disruption.  
  •  Closed-minded people are more likely to make statements than ask questions. Closed-minded people listen to win not to understand. 
  • A Closed Minded Read : https://fs.blog/open-closed-minded/

Fundamental Choice: Which direction for Legion Baseball?

The Open System - Democratic and Open

Open and Closed Systems by David Lee Jones

Published in the Presbyterian Outlook    September 9, 2022

  

Open Systems Value Change, Transparency, Diversity, Differentiation, Questioning, Disagreeing, Discussing, Expressing Concerns, and Giving Voice to All


Appropriately open systems are generally understood as those that value change, transparency, diversity, differentiation, questioning, disagreeing, discussing, pondering, expressing concern and giving voice to all. 

  • In open systems, people feel safe to express concerns, disagree and raise questions. Information is shared openly. Open systems encourage and value appropriately open and flexible boundaries and discourage undue rigidity.
  • Open systems value, promote and welcome direct communication, “I statements,” responsibility for one’s own functioning in the system and non-reactivity.
  • In open systems, leaders can take a stand. Leaders and members stay connected to each other by discouraging domination, triangulation, gossip and secrets. 
  • Open systems promote and value playfulness, mystery, paradox, challenge and adventure.


Google Search Quotes

  • Open-mindedness refers to a willingness to consider different perspectives, ideas, and experiences, even if they differ from one's own beliefs or preconceptions. It involves actively seeking out new information, being receptive to diverse viewpoints, and engaging in critical thinking to evaluate different perspectives. 
  • Open-mindedness is the willingness to search actively for evidence against one's favored beliefs, plans, or goals, and to weigh such evidence fairly . 
  •  An open mind is really a mark of foolishness, like an open mouth. Mouths and minds were made to shut; they were made to open only in order to shut.” 


https://pres-outlook.org/2017/07/open-closed-systems/


An Open Minded Read: Article Link

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